Feb 27, 2005

Vertical Search

Regular readers of this blog have been getting subjected to a lot of Tom Evslin links the past couple weeks. That's because I have been really impressed with the stuff that Tom is putting up on his blog.

And until now, I have agreed with everything he's said.

But I disagree with some of his post on vertical search engines in which he essentially says that phrase is an oxymoron.

I agree that its easier to go to Google or Yahoo! or even Microsoft for most of the basis searches I do. But that's not true of every search I do.

When I want to do a travel search, I go to Kayak instead of Google.

If I wanted to do a dating search, I'd go to Lycos' new dating search service instead of Google.

If I was looking for a job, I'd go to Indeed instead of Google.

Why would I use these services? Because the results are orders of magitude better than what Google produces for the same search term.

Some would say that Google can and will produce these "vertical search services" and I suppose that's true.

But then Google will be providing a number of vertical search services in addition to a broad horizontal one. Maybe that's their plan.

Regardless of what Google intends to do, I think we are in for verticalization in the search space and I disagree with Tom on this one.

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I agree. The problem with Tom's argument is that it assumes to much perfection in the horizontal search mechanism itself. While these technologies continue to improve, there will always be some advantage gained by segementing the data you would like to search before hitting submit. It's the same reason why I'll specify a folder when searching for a specific e-mail message. If not I risk yielding such a broad group of e-mail results that finding the correct text is still too time consuming. Sometimes it's easier to select the category than further refine the keyword elements.

But I do agree with one of the problems that Tom identifies which is that you have to select rather arbitrary boundaries for your vertical. Draw these boundaries too tightly and you risk yielding inadequate results. Draw them too loosly and you yield too many results. And if you are going to be vertical, do you further divide your vertical niche into smaller vertical sub-slices within that niche? Where does it all end?

One last point that wasn't dealt with in Tom's post. You can also add substantial value around a tightly focused search service that you can't provide with a horizontal service. Expedia.com for example. I'm essentially conducting a search for a very specific item when I use their service. The specificity of the search results combined with the ability to actually complete a transaction (among other things) makes Expedia superior to Google when making travel plans. Same deal with Amazon/EBay for product searches. EBay for other product searches. Etc. So a good question is where does Tom draw the line between a search service and a search application within a web service?

Anyway, bottom line. While dealing with these issues will be challenging, I cannot believe that both horizontal and vertical searches will not coexist quite peacefully. The Web is a big place after all.

Posted by: Alex Rowland | February 27, 2005 at 10:26 PM

Fred, I agree (and thanks for intro'ing us to Tom's blog). This is an excerpt from my blog:

I don't agree with Tom that there is no place for vertically focused search engines. I believe that, from an end user's standpoint, there is a need for search engines to be tuned for special types of searches that horizontal/broad engines haven't got the trick of. Case in point: Orbitz and its other travel site brethren are glorified search engines tuned for travel. Going a level up, like Sidestep, one can search multiple engines in the travel vertical. While going a level down, these sites have vertical categories for you to search for hotel rooms, vacations or car rentals. I go to these sites for my travel needs, not Google. I go to Amazon for books and music, Rotten Tomatoes for movie info, etc, etc. Why? Often times I will be in search mode, but I value the browse and recommendation modalities that they offer.

Now Google could certainly provide results for travel related searches just like they do with product-related searches on Froogle but I dunno...I've never really used Froogle all that much. Besides, Google is effectively verticalizing search by having different tabs for Images, Groups, News, Maps, et al. Each of these are particularly tuned for that particular vertical. You can argue that Groups, Images and Maps are horizontal, but they are effectively vertical in that each is tuned for a different type of search. Yes they could unify them all into one, but that would add complexity for the user in that they'd have to learn the syntax for the type of search their doing, which would be harder than simply going to a trusted brand like Amazon.

Posted by: Rags | February 27, 2005 at 11:53 PM

Well if I want to really show off I guess I could draw an analogy with Ricardian comparative advantage. This states that even if one country is better at everything it still makes sense for it to specialise in one and trade for the others. Can't we apply this 18th theory to the emerging united states of webamerica? Google's comparative advantage is in broad search so it doesn't make sense for it to focus it's energies on 1000's of specialised veryical apps. Maybe?

Posted by: Tim H | February 28, 2005 at 03:58 PM

I think that the number of vertical areas is huge and the relevancy that can be achieved in vertical engines is MUCH higher than in Google.

For instance, take a look at http://yottacars.com which is a car search engine (disclaimer: my company operates the site) and compare that to trying to search for cars on Google. Actually, you really cannot search for cars on Google since car listings are part of the deep web which Google cannot do.

To convince yourself that Google DOES NOT crawl or index typical listing on yottacars.com, take a random VIN from there and look it up on Google. A VIN is a great key but Google will not have listings on that car!

Google has great general search technology but the number of high quality verticals that are possible is much higher than any single company can do. I believe we are already starting to se some limitations of Google as an e-commerce enabler in an apparent drop in quality of results for independent reviews which are being swamped by SEO stuff.

Posted by: Boris A | March 02, 2005 at 10:37 PM

So, I've typed another search term into Google only to be underwhelmed by the relevance and overwhelmed by the quantity. So many results, so little time. Now, please, don't get me wrong, I like Google in a general "I'm not really sure what form my desired result will take" sort of way. It's just that when I know what I'm looking for, I'd much prefer a more targeted result. Thus, vertical search.

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