Feed Thinking

Tom Watson went camping with his kids last weekend and came home to find 242 new items in Bloglines to read.

It's a common occurrence.

I have given up on my feedreader for exactly that reason.

I had lunch with Nick Denton yesterday and he asked me what feedreader I use.  I told him that I use many of them for many reasons, but none of them for the purpose of reading all my feeds.

What I do these days, I told him, is use the blogroll on the right hand column to read the blogs I like.  I go down that list every day.  When I find myself skipping a blog on the list frequently, I take it off.

I use the linking from other blogs, delicious, digg, and other cool apps to find new stuff. Discovery is the big deal now and I have seen some other interesting discovery apps that will be coming soon.

I do have a database of feeds, which I keep in Bloglines. But to me that's just a UI into an OPML file.  Every time I find a blog I like, I add it to Bloglines. Since I can export the OPML file, I'd really like to find an application that manages feeds as its sole utility leaving the reading part out.  I'd move to that pretty quickly.

If I find myself visiting a new blog frequently through my various blogreading activities, I'll add it to my blogroll.

The other feedreaders I use are Newsgator (for mobile), MyYahoo (for feed headlines I need to see every time I start my browser), and iTunes (for audio and video content).

Why do I tell you all of this?

Because after finally getting around to reading and thinking about Microsoft's vision for RSS in Longhorn, I think my kludged together approach happens to be the future of feeds.

Longhorn is going to offer a central repository of feeds.  Think of it like the printer list in Windows.  You add feeds like you add printers.  Then every app that runs on Longhorn has access to those feeds natively.

In that world, you don't need to add feeds into iTunes, iTunes just looks at the feeds in Longhorn, figures out which ones are audio feeds, and gives you the option to get the audio files once or every time.  iTunes can also give you a UI to enter new feeds into the Longhorn repository.

Every app will be that way.  Outlook Calendar will look for feeds that have scheduling information and give you the option to add those events automatically to your calendar.  And Outlook Calendar will have a UI to enter new "schedule related" feeds into the Longhorn repository.

This is how I am using feeds already so this vision works great for me.  Feeds are becoming so present on the web that the idea of reading them centrally seems badly broken to me.  But managing them centrally and making them available broadly to whatever apps they can add value to makes a ton of sense to me.

So what does this mean for RSS investment opportunities? 

I haven't solved that problem yet, but I am working on it.  I think it means that we need to "go up the stack" as they say and look for applications and services that can use the infrastructure that Microsoft is building into the operating system layer to add value.

I haven't gotten beyond that.  But I'd be interested in talking to any entrepreneurs who have interesting ideas how to profit from this new world of feed ubiquity we are going to have soon.

Comments

[Dan Cornish]

RSS is starting to feel like television. I sit in front of the tv with a remote and click through 100 channels and then say "nothing is on." When I read my multiple rss feeds in Safari on my mac, I also use NetNewsWire, I am now starting to feel the same way. What is needed is really a way for search to find "what is on" to get around the "nothing is on" problem. It can't be a simple search, but something new. Humans have a need to know what is going on in their community. The town crier, gossip, the pub, newspapers, radio, tv, internet - all the same continuum.

You also need to know the same thing about projects you are working on (my specialty), your company, your business, your bank account, regulations, etc.. Business and personal tend to blur together in my life and I am sure in yours.

Just a few random thoughts. This is a really good problem to solve.

[Charlie Wood]

Fred,

When Micosoft, ahem, built the browser into the OS, the businesses that made money weren't browser add-ons or other client apps that used the MS HTML engine. They were web-enabled businesses that needed their customers to have a browser like Salesforce, Amazon, Travelocity, etc. I ahte to say it, but it was the dot-com's that benefited from a free, ubiquitous browser.

Microsoft's support of RSS in Longhorn will go a long way toward solving the addressable audience issue for RSS-enabled applications. I imagine we'll see the same dot-com's adding RSS support, but given the machine-readable nature of RSS, we'll also see some value added services emerge. FeedBurner is a great example.

[scott partee]

I think Longorn's ability to keep a repository of feeds would really need some way to mark certain feeds as "global" and, therefore, subject to .Mac-style "Bookmark" management. In short, I'd want my feeds to be online so that when I use different computers I can still get to all of these streams of information I have carefully (and not so carefully) managed. I doubt Microsoft will do that in the first blast, so maybe a good opportunity is a company that brings your feeds online seamlessly and w/out a lot of fuss (and keeps them in synch for you automatically).

[Heather Green]

Heya Fred,

Great thread. It is hard to imagine how a standalone feedreader technology makes sense as this all evolves. What I am interested in watching develop are the services that are created on top of RSS, like maybe a service that parses for resumes or job listings.

[Charles Smith]

Fred-
Stating it another way, it's a personal inventory management problem. What do I need at my fingertips every day, what do I need weekly, what do I need occasionally, what's business, what's personal, what's entertainment, news, etc. and which device do I need it on?
At first blush, it sounds like a managed "editor" application driven by the user, with "network" input. Not sure how that manifests itself, but there's something there.
Thought provoking post.

[Ned]

When I get an interesting feed--like this one--I start with it and then spiral off over the web learning things. By the time I get to the next feed, I've taken 30 minutes. This may be because I'm just getting my feet wet in web 2.0, but I have a feeling that I'm not the only one--that "surfing" is still an accurate term for how people go through the net getting information.

In that case, how about a system that noted when you started in on a feed and when you left? Feeds that took the most time would burble to the top.

[Steve]

Not to be a wise-ass but seriously - do you think MSFT will ship Longhorn? They are not porting the RSS stuff to XP, so you are talking about some serious FUD here

[Brian Keairns]

I think Nivi was right in his post comparing RSS to TCP/IP. At one point TCP/IP software was a thriving industry of its own. It was major shift when Microsoft added a TCP/IP stack to Windows because that made access to the Internet seamless and ubiquitous. But once it was ubiquitous TCP/IP basically disappeared and the impact was felt much higher up the stack. Without having TCP/IP built into Windows companies like Yahoo, Amazon and eBay wouldn’t have been able to reach the scale they have.

I think RSS will be similar. The technology won’t reach its potential until we talk about RSS as much as we talk about TCP/IP. Who would have expected at the time that Microsoft added TCP/IP to Windows that the big winners from the wave of new technology would be an online bookstore, an online consignment shop and a hand made directory of web links put together by some college kids.

In my opinion Tom Foremski’s article “The Internet train wreck part 2: This is where you can see it...” actually provides the most insight into what the next round of successful applications will be. He points out that the most successful companies from the last round were media companies. Yahoo, eBay, Amazon, and Google are all technology enabled media companies.

He talks about the formula for the success of the last round of Internet companies:

“This combination of two-way publishing technologies results in a new type of communications architecture. Maybe it should be called Internet to the power of 2. It marries an underlying very powerful, incredibly cheap hardware and software communications technology, with a two-way media publishing technology that facilitates the movement and development of ideas on an unprecedented scale--outwards from the publisher and back towards the publisher.”

I think the big opportunity for the next round is bringing that same game changing impact to organizations internally. In many respects eBay, Yahoo and Amazon are big distributed content management systems with powerful two way communications. I think organizations of all sizes need that same power internally. Companies need to be able to build their own eBay, Amazons and Yahoos. If a corporation had an easy-to-use community content management or wiki system they could build their own eBay for a specific trading requirement. Or they could build their own Amazon for exchanging valuable shared information. People don’t shop at Amazon because they have a big catalog and a nice shopping cart. They go there because they can learn about the products from other consumers and share their experience and expertise. It’s basically a community content management system for publishing and sharing information about products. A company ought to be able to use a community content management system or wiki to easily create their own Amazon for both large and small applications. They ought to be able to use a community content management system to create their own Yahoo style directory. Community content management and wikis with feed organizing abilities will be the quickest way to build these systems and to grow them organically.

I think one of the other posts talked about having and editor function with network input. I think that’s right on as well. Most people in an organization are not going to have time to be their own editor but with the right architecture they can learn to rely on trusted sources to get them started and to help them with ongoing discovery.

[Mike D.]

I have to agree with Steve here. I think you're right in your thinking about how nice it would be for different apps to have access to a central repository of feeds, but in reality, it's going to be until at least 2010 before Longhorn has even a 50% share among Windows users (if you look at the XP pace). The problem is that RSS is here today and we're only in 2005, so I'm not sure any technology which won't be prevalent until 2010 will have much affect on what happens in the next five years. Now... if MSFT decided to issue a mandatory update to XP which put this functionality, then ok... but that isn't in the cards so far.

I do think there is an opportunity for another company to come along and build an app which manages feeds centrally just as you spelled out though. There is nothing so complicated about RSS that it needs physical system integration to do the things you speak of. Apps are available to other apps already if you set things up correctly.

[Kyle Welsh]

I've been using Bloglines for a month or so now. I tried SAGE (FireFox extension), but didn't like the fact that I had to add/delete/edit subscriptions on multiple machines hence, I'm with BlogLines now.

I'm an RSS junkie - I think that if you took the BlogLines approach (online portal-like app. nothing to install) and added the following:
1.) Allow the user to mark individual posts within a feed as 'unread' and/or allow keep them 'persistent' so they can be viewed multiple times (from multiple machines).
2.) Keep track of content that is contained in the articles that are 'clicked into' and search for more related articles and 'suggest' them instead of having to go to another tool like Technorati etc. (Sounds like Amazon and other e-tailers, right?)

The BlogLines' Citations seem to be much better than Technorati - just don't make me seek them out - the RSS 'Killer App' should seek them out for me in the background and 'suggest' them to me.

OK, I'm starting to ramble on now.

I have been enjoying your blog for a while now, Fred - keep up the great work!

[Steve Castellano]

I think this post and subsequent reader comments were really interesting. I use Newsgator because its required to keep me informed of changes to my jotspot wiki, but I use Bloglines and Onfolio for other things too. Digg seems interesting, and I just came across something similar called H20.

Separately, for Fred or anyone else, I'm curious how was the "Tag this post with delicous" line added to this post. Was it easy to implement? I'd like to do something similar at the bottom of my Typepad posts -- but direct to readers to a central shared message board. And while I'm asking about blog design, I like your google search box design -- how were able to do that?

[Bill Smith]

Microsoft have the potential to fix this problem - and i guess Newsgator are trying to beat them to it. (and get bought out by them in the mix)

I think the "central RSS store" has a better fit in the Yahoo/Google/Ask Jeeves organizations

In terms of entrepreneurs creating value within the RSS stack, then I'd have to look at the great work that Nooked, Feedburner and FreeRange are doing

Bill

[steve olechowski]

the points you bring up are the exact reason i still use CNET's Newsburst as my main RSS reader. I can't digest all my feeds, so i'm fine having my home page just being the latest stuff. i don't give a shit about read and unread items. sync is a mess...who cares? if a post is good enough and i miss it, someone else will point to it and i'll catch it on the rebound.

that said, i'm probably the only one in my office who thinks this way.

[charlie crystle]

We're all finding that RSS is just another technology that makes up the dialtone of IT. Simple, powerful, elegant, and totally unmanageable in any volume. Steve's post steps beyond the awe of the things you can do with RSS; with hundreds of emails a day, my bandwidth is very low and I only want a few feeds and I'd like other aggregators to do the rest for me. How much information is relevant? We have a principle at Mission Research--just because you can do just about everything in software doesn't mean you should. People have only so much capacity for diversity and volume of information.

There are the "everything" companies like Yahoo, and there are the "simple" companies like Google. I'm betting the companies that keep the Simple in RSS will do well. I'm looking forward to the time when some kid puts out a simple app which looks at my existing feeds and their content, then suggests either better or fewer sources of information, or suggests what toothpaste I should use based on my feed preferences. BTW--we post Beta 1 of our next-gen today.

[Dan Cornish]

Great idea 1

Add a tool which will send back info to the originator of the feed when the feed was read/viewed/heard. Then the originator will add a tag in the xml stream to tell how many people have opened the feed. This will allow aggregators to gauge the actual interest of the feed. This is the kind of feedback loop which is necessary to make it more useful.

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[Mike]

Really great and thought provoking post. As an entrepreneur, I will have to noodle on this one for a little while. I agree that there are bound to be lots of opportunities here.

In the past 3 months, I have quickly become a feed and blog rolling junkie. I scan my favorite blogs daily using Kinja. It is the best site I have found to give you a quick summary of what is going on.

For my own blogroll and in fact for all of my bookmarking I now use blinklist (www.blinklist.com). blinklist makes bookmarking and syndication of links / tags, via RSS very easy.

For full disclosure, I am a biased user. I am one of the founders of blinklist but thought that some of you might want to check it out given your interest. Would love to hear some early user input (we are brand spanking new).

[jim winstead]

this is how i've been reading blogs for years, and one of the reasons i originally started blo.gs — so i could see when the blogs i was interested in reading had been updated.

i use an rss aggregator for news, but i've long preferred to read blogs on their own sites.

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