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MySpace Musings

I just read Danah Boyd's eTech talk and it left me thinking a lot about MySpace and online communities and kids.

There's been a ton of discussion about MySpace and the "danger" that it creates for kids. I was at a dinner last month with a group of some of the most sophisticated technology people in NYC and a woman pulled me aside and said, "what am I supposed to do about MySpace?".  I said, "what do you mean?".  She said, "it scares me".

MySpace doesn't scare me.  I use it although I don't use it often. I only have three friends on MySpace and one is Tom and another is my friend Steve's new band, the Jonas Brothers.  I am playing their video on my MySpace page so be prepared if you go visit my page. 

I know what my kid's pages look like although I rarely go visit them.  But my kids know I am on MySpace and I often tell them about a cool video or photo I've seen on MySpace and sometimes they'll actually go check it out. I don't hover over their MySpace activities, but I also don't ignore them.

The Gotham Gal wrote a post about this last week. It's a good post by a mom who cares a lot about her kids but isn't worried about MySpace.  She said:

I have 2 kids that use My Space.  It is their generations space to represent themselves.  Did parents freak when Elvis came on the scene? Did they freak when the Rolling Stones came on the scene?  Did they freak when they grew their hair long and rebelled?  Answers to all of the above and more is yes, yes  yes.  Think about what you did growing up that your parents were scared of.  They were scared because they didn't understand the space and weren't sure how to teach you the tools to navigate the situation.

What she is saying is we are lucky because MySpace is something we can figure out. Join it yourself.  Make a page.  Check it out.  Figure it out.

Chartreuse also has a great post on MySpace. He compares it to bikes:

Every day millions of kids get on bikes and ride around neighborhoods across the country without much parental supervision.

Now a lot of bad things can happen to a kid on a bike.

She can be hit by a car.

She can be abducted.

She can fall and break her arm.

She can just ride off as far as her feet can take her and decide never to come back home again.

Now because of all the horrible things which can happen to a kid on a bike a huge industry was created. They sell helmets, kneepads, tracking systems, and the like to make bikes safer or parents feel more secure.

Despite all this stuff most parents still just give their kids some rules and let them ride.

MySpace is just the modern bike.

Lots of horrible things can happen to a kid on the internet. And the industry will continue to grow based around protecting children from all that horrible stuff or making parents feel more secure.

But the truth of the matter is that most parents will just give there child some rules and let them ride.

And that’s o.k.

Sounds like Gotham Gal and Chartreuse are on the same page.  And I am with them.

Jessica is starting to use Facebook more than MySpace. That's a trickier one because parents can't hang out in Facebook. But I've asked her if I can check out the service because I am curious to understand why its different than MySpace. She lets me see her page and that's a good sign.

Back to Danah's talk.  She is really all over what makes online communities work.  There's a great section in her talk where she talks about Craig's List, Flickr, and MySpace and points out that each service had a person (Craig, Stewart, and Tom) who were/are personally available in the community.  The point is that the best communities are built by people and they take on a culture early on that is representative of the people who build them.

Danah goes on to point out that scaling is a real issue.  How can one person or even a small group of people ride herd on something as huge as MySpace?  Danah says:

The people in charge of Craigslist, Flickr and MySpace breathe their sites. They don't go home at night and forget about the site. They are online at 4AM because something went wrong. They are talking to users at midnight just because. You cannot force this kind of passion - it's not just a job, it's a belief system.

Unfortunately, it is not clear that even the most passionate people can keep doing it forever. This type of true embeddedness is utterly exhausting. It plays a heavy toll on the lives of the designers. Even in smaller communities, creators grow tired.

And you wonder why MySpace, Flickr, Delicious, etc sell their businesses?

Another really great point Danah makes is about online language.  Check out this part of her talk:

[T]he following sentences [were] pulled from MySpace. Yes, they're all English.

- "PatTy D aka tHe ScO CitY 415 LiKe wHa!!!"
  - "yung ant wassup wit it jus show'n da page sum luv so do da same a where u get dat background bru"
  - "suP WIt IT pLAY bOI?"

It's easy to express horror and indignation at this writing style if you're not a part of the relevant social group, but that is a condescending position. What these teens are doing with language is fascinating and important. They are repurposing written words to express culture in the same way that people have always repurposed spoken words for slang. Because teens spend more time online, they are morphing written words for expressive communication. They are personalizing words.

Personalizing words and spaces and communities. We are at the dawn of the age of personalized media. The web has given the world a place where the audience is the publisher and what we are witnessing (and hopefully participating in) is the personalization of media. It will manifest itself in many strange and wonderful ways.

And I am embracing it; for me, for my kids, and for the rest of my life.

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Parents whose kids are going to get in trouble via MySpace are likely to be the same kids who get in trouble in the mall and in school and other "real world" venues and for exactly the same reasons.

If you're not involved in your kid's lives, if you have no idea what they do or who they do it with, they're likely to get in trouble. It might be on MySpace, it might be in the "real world". The root causality is not being involved in their lives, not where they spend time.

That being said... I don't fear for kids on MySpace nearly as much as I fear for MySpace and parents lawyers.

Posted by: Erik Schwartz | Mar 18, 2006 8:59:23 AM

I don't have to really look into this yet for a few more years as my kids are 5 and 2, but the language morphing has been around since the rise of the early IM clients, such as ICQ. It seems to me that it was a "coastal" thing, where I would see it displayed far more often on the West coast. At first it annoyed me, but then I realized that they were younger and they could still write a proper sentence outside of the web. Initially, I felt that this would creep into RL, but it has not seemed to have done that as much as I had anticipated. However, with that said, I have seen a change in the Philippines where SMS is pervasive. When I had my office there, my staff would start to write formal letters with SMS abbreviations and structure. I was aghast! Thus as long as they truly know both "languages" I don't mind. It took me a while to get used to it and learning how to write "hella gud, dis iz da bst prgrm in da wrld. Ur post Fred iz gr8 as alwys."

I have tried myspace.com and I just don't "get it." I doesn't seem that different than the original geocities concepts with more interaction.
Here's what I would like to see: last.fm develop into a community site. They are making a strong move towards that end, but I think with more control over your own page, along with some embedded IM program, I think that last.fm could really take off.

Posted by: Ted | Mar 18, 2006 9:13:42 AM

I totally agree - we're seeing a predictable overreaction to MySpace. As always, the people writing horror stories about the "dangers" seem to have little first-hand experience. Won't somebody *please* think of the children?!

Posted by: Pete Cashmore | Mar 18, 2006 11:13:39 AM

Regarding the online language passage of your post. I think that this very naturally started with Email.

While I used to think that :) and typing in all CAPS was silly, it is a very human way of overcoming some of the social limitations of participating in a network society.

Posted by: Page | Mar 19, 2006 6:45:17 AM

I disagree with Pete. The parents who are reacting are the ones who have investigated MySpace. The others simply don't know it exists or can't figure out how to look at it. Remember, those looking at these blogs are self-selected to be (at least a bit) more computer and internet knowledgeable. That individual is probably not typical of most parents. Having said that, I would observe that MySpace is past its prime and Facebook is favored, at least for the moment by the Teenage set (which is to say those I have contact with). One reason is that Facebook is more of a self-contained community, presumably far from parent's eyes and those not connected with specific schools (giving kids a feeling of greater protection). As a father, I feel better about that. I have set out some ground rules for our kids: 1.) don't give enough infomation so someone you don't know can easily find you and 2.) don't publish anything you wouldn't want posted by the front door of school for everyone to see. (This goes for chain e-mails too.)

I really worry about those kids who post things on MySpace like (and this is not made up...the child was 14) "Oh yeah, that was really fun getting that rum. I was soooo drunk" and "I am glad you liked the lapdance I gave you" and posted photos that could easily be sold as kiddie porn. To MySpace's credit, that site was deleted for being over the top, but the girl was back in 30 minutes. That scares me. Not because the kid is out of control, but because she was so dumb not to realize that everyone can see this stuff she is posting. Rule 2 never occured to her or her parents.

The analogy to a bike is a good one, except for one thing. Eight year olds never taught other eight year old how to ride a bike. Older people did, presumably offering some wisdom of their mistakes along the way. In the same vein, think of it like learning to drive a car -- its clear to me that when my child is 16 or however old she needs to be for a learners permit, another 16 year old won't be teaching her how to drive. But as a parent, the job is to prepare them for these things and let them take it from there.

Posted by: jonathan | Mar 19, 2006 7:52:21 AM

Actually, if you're curious to know more about MySpace, i gave another talk explicitly about why MySpace is so popular amongst youth. You might find it more useful: http://www.danah.org/papers/AAAS2006.html

Posted by: zephoria | Mar 20, 2006 3:33:55 AM

You didn't need to put your age on your MySpace profile, Fred. The newspaper you're reading in your pic says it all. I can just picture some teens coming across it and wondering, "What's that big, ink-stained piece of paper he's looking at?" BTW, I agree with you. Parents should think about the big picture changes of which MySpace is just a part. If they don't like the site itself, I say just be patient. Murdoch will kill it, linking it to The Sun and the like. In time, kids will find it as passe as the paper you're reading.

Posted by: greg | Mar 20, 2006 9:44:58 AM

If you're looking for a more mature and web 2.0 enabled "myspace" like service take a look at LiveDigital.com. It incorporates video, music, blogs, tags, and lots of AJAX.

Posted by: Rob Deichert | Mar 23, 2006 8:48:21 PM

I agree with the article because i think people are trying to understand what teens think theese days. But the thing adults don't understand is that we were teenagers once. And we should show some sort of understanding about our children. Yes i would be upset if someone abducted my teenagers. But what are the chances of our children being abducted? Probably the same chances of them being shot at school or raped on the street.The point is everything can be dangerous... the world is dangerous. Things do happen because there are things we can't control. LIke our childrens MySpace fad. Its a fad just let the children have there little myspace for a year. Im not saying that i think mysapce is all safe there are some wacky people out there so if your children do have myspaces just check them out once and a while. Beacues there is a difference between things we can and can't control MySpace troubles can be prevented just get envolved.

Posted by: MAxx22 | Aug 24, 2006 8:29:15 PM

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